How do you explain the trinity? Along the way, you might ask something like this: What do you say to people who believe that God is only one person, who just shows up in different forms at different times?. Just as a manipulating womanizer can say true things, false teachers can be kind, sincere, morally upright people. (That's two behind Michael Jordan and two ahead of retired Bank of America CEO Hugh McColl.) Youre judging me, putting your spin on what Im saying. Thank you for your encouraging words, Josh. Thank you so much for the explanation. Is that the language of the kingdom? His takeaway his summation for the sermon was the the people in Nazareth thought too little of themselves. As she is the daughter of Murrill Boitnott (father) and her mother's name . Will you do yours? That sounds good, but its the opposite of what we see in the Bible. It ALSO teaches that the Spirit in us is Christ in you, the Hope of Glory. The problem is that he persists in teaching them despite being told that its false. Jakes (prosperity gospel, New Apostolic Reformation, modalism, proponent of women "pastors") his mentor, yokes with numerous false teachers, allows women and false teachers to preach at his "church". All of Revelation? The question is whether a teacher directly contradicts the Bible, or adds to the Bible in a way that compromises the truth in it. Teachers are very important and we need to be warned of false teachers. Accept it and leave the rest to Father God. I am well too, thanks. It might be that the only real problem is that hes watching while young and impressionable children are around and that he just hasnt thought about that. Ive shown a number of Scriptures where Jesus performed miracles in spite of a lack of faith. Does being wrong confidently wrong mean hes not saved? Doctrinally, its immensely problematic to suggest that Gods ability to do ANYTHING is limited by ANYONE or ANYTHING. I'm Annoyed. But, seeing that you have an aversion to faith folks, you are not going to relent. Quite simply, youre both wrong. He likes to hear them and I think most people are that way. The question is whether youre willing to reassess what you think about people like Furtick not in light of what I say, but in light of what God has said. You make several good points in this response but one that Id like to expand on: b) ignorant of how God has blessed his church. Thats bad. Thats the reason that so many of the warnings in the New Testament say to not be deceived: to avoid that, we must know the gospel. did for the present (to speak with reverence), in effect, tie his hands: He did not many mighty works there, because of their unbelief. After having said that, I believe youre probably right. As interesting, this is the last verse of a long chapter, yet just before this, Jesus makes that famous quote; A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country. Thats not an indication of limitation, and the very idea contradicts the rest of what God reveals about Himself in all of Scripture. Buddhists will talk about becoming one with everything by losing your self-identity. Thanks, Joe. To suggest that God is not all-powerful goes against 3500 years of biblical witness, every bit of Judaic and Christian belief, and hundreds of verses of Scripture, both Old and New Testament. A significant portion of the New Testament was written to directly counter false teaching in the first century. I wouldnt suggest that one add up the number of doctrinal errors to determine whether someone is a false teacher. This is an arm-in-arm kind of association, where theyre working toward the same goals in the same ways. I get why these actually misdescribe the Trinity and are ultimately unhelpful. Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens. I also added my own clarifying comments to the citation. The thief on the cross was a special case. Pastor Steven Furtick. God would have been an abstract theory. He says a lot of things that are true, of course but he also promotes unbiblical falsehoods. Again, Paul speaking of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes; Romans 1:16. as it, whether could not or would not, is still (bottom line) for want of faith in us, just as the scripture says in Matthew 13:58 1. Ive listened to some of his sermons, and actually been blessed. Every pastor gives their interpretation of what the Bible is saying (Ive been a licensed minister, so youre talking about me). If not, Elevation music is just music some great, some good, some average, some not so much. Theres nothing in Scripture that tells us that we can prevent God from doing anything He wants to do. He is one of the know evangelists all over the world, and apart from writing books, he takes his time in evangelization. Women should never cut their hair. By itself, thats not bad at all. I am rare. Of course it does its all over the gospels, right, so which is it? Acts 18:8 Martyn Iles Removed as Managing Director of Australian Christian Lobby by Board, Seven Types of Rest to Restore Your Body, Mind and Spirit, 8 witnesses testified against Hillsong founder Brian Houston in court case, wife Bobbie reveals, Why you feel guilty for not going to church, Samaritan's Purse sends 52-bed field hospital to Turkey. Who knows? If you dont receive it in your heart, you limit what God can do. The Holy Spirit is working in your hearts, and part of that process is seeing through the fantasies put forward by wolves in sheeps clothing. God does respond to our faith. Thats enough to condemn Furticks statement. If you will, please answer one simple question: Do you agree that God is a molecular structure? Yeah never: His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. Right, John 5 speaks to Jesus ministry, doing his Father work verse 17, again in Acts 10:38, going about healing all who were oppressed of the devil . 4044). So #1 is debunked. If you throw the ball, you are not the ball. There are two problems in that quote that relate directly the passage in question. By most people's standards, Furtick is a major success. Wade Joye. Its nice to meet you. I think you all foolish jealous that God can use a young man to reach and touch a younger generation-A godly man will alway get rebutted -shepherd boy David was constantly rejected yet he had heart after God -God see the heart of man so say you everything you want at least pastor Steve is not like Jimmy Swaggers a A womanizer or like Jim jones all these preacher that were manipulators of and womanizersGod said you know then by their fruit! Im not attacking Furtick. For There is such a thing as an atmosphere of faith, which genders favorable results, even Jesus knew this, as here in his own turf, he would put out doubters; The child is not dead. So: while we cant understand the trinity, we CAN explain what the Bible says about God. In Mark 10:46-52, Jesus said to the eagerly awaiting, to be healed, blind man, Go, your faith has healed (sozo) you. These are just examples showing not only how he worked individually, but also how he worked in mass. I dont feel attacked by you. What youve written makes it sound like you think thats unnecessary. Once born again the believer needs to grow. He is popular for being a Religious Leader. Just yesterday I watched a clip of Jesse Duplantis, where he said (and I quote) You choose when you live, you choose when you die. Well said, salvation is the most important possession someone owns. When He tells us, we should pay attention. Thanks. Please, I beg you: do your homework. Each has a relationship with the other we see whats called a subject-object relationship. Im struggling with whether I am making a mountain out of a mole hill, or whether Im being discerning. All Rights Reserved. There are two primary ways that people interpret Scripture. the gospel is being preached , judge not lest ye be judged . I feel the same about Joyce Meyers. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way. Having said that ,he may be the only source of the gospel to many. See, John 14:17 for he dwells with you (old testament), and shall be in you (new testament). So, then how much greater exploits, Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. What power? Keep It 100. Instead, we see in Scripture that God is sovereign, that there are none like Him, that there are none above Him, and so on. How about occasionally giving the gospel . We justly deserve death, but He died on our behalf. But it and the other quotes slide perilously close. He publicly approves of false teachers like T.D. Another might be that Jesus, in some sense, rewards faith with action. Healing comes not from the outside in, it comes from the inside out. This is modalism, the same error that Furtick makes. In other words, once we understand the term God, even within the phrase there is ONLY one God, means a single entity comprised of three persons, the simplest aspect of the Trinity isnt so difficult. A Baptist pastor. There are countless clear statements like these in Scripture, and Oneness theology pretty much denies them all. In my experience, people who are willing to be led by the Holy Spirit into a clear understanding of Scripture will change their minds easily. All three took part in creation. Rip down your character by listening to Satan. Do I consider Steven Furtick a false teacher? He did not change forms and become spirit. Unfortunately, his understanding of Psalm 78:41 is off-base. I want you to know the Scriptures. Weve gone back and forth a number of times, and Im not entirely clear on where you stand. Jesus makes many statements that show that He is not the Father. The scroll in question is a scroll of prophecy. That excludes a number of books in the Bible, since not all are prophetic. The question is whether Steven Furtick can be trusted to teach and preach what God has said and, while most teachers say a lot of things that are true, the measure of a false teacher is that they too often say things that are untrue. The Son went back to the Father, and they both sent the Holy Spirit to dwell in each believer. 8. One would think they know God better than we do. Theology should come directly from the Bible wherever possible. Remember Jesus words about the sower, and the four kinds of soils. Furtick and Munroe teach that there are things that God wants to do, but CANNOT do. But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. We would be saying what Scripture itself does not say, and we should avoid that. Then, when He ascended into Heaven, stopped being a man and became the Holy Spirit. A good example of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost is Jesus baptism. It confirmed everything that I have seen and heard from Steven Furtick. And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. After studying these things for literally several decades, Im still working to properly explain how one can tell the difference between those who are wrong and those who are false. Jesus Himself said that He (as the Son) spoke nothing on His own. Some of them are the best-selling books in New York. Through His Son, that which was unclean -was made clean-. Rather than praying for me, or finding Scriptures to show that what Ive written is false, youve attacked me. What IS the question? Besides, she is also the friendship coach of the Women Evolve movement. If not, do something about it. THAT along with a whole bunch of other things Furtick teaches is why hes a false teacher. If the Father sends the Son, the Father is not the Son. This is not the God of the Bible, its someone else entirely. 13th April 2020. Instead, the New Testament is chock full of instruction and correction about how Christians should live, think, and act AFTER were saved. Salvation by faith through grace ? Instead, Christ could not do many miracles because the circumstances under which the Lord readily shows Himself were not present.. Paul was unaware that God could heal him, so he was never healed. Ignite God's Vision for Your Life, to his father, writing: "The start you were handed wasn't much, but you worked what you had. Why do we learn in Colossians 1 that the Son actually created everything? The American writer is married to Steven Furtick, who is the founder and pastor of Elevation Church. Your email address will not be published.